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Re: creepy interconnectedness

Post by w0rM » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:53 pm

It could be something to worry about if it starts creeping into Minority Report territory. I certainly wouldn't want to live in a country that using technology to monitor the population to prevent "bad" things from happening. I could totally see that being scary and a HUGE infringement on personal freedoms.

For me, Facebook knowing I want to go to Florida with or without kids just doesn't make me feel less free or threatened in any way. I've worked around marketing for 30 years so it's just hard for me to see the harm in it. Marketing companies have been collecting data on consumer habits for a hundred plus years. Computers just made it easier and bigger. The goals are the same... to make more money and put your competitors out of business.
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Re: creepy interconnectedness

Post by Furball » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:17 pm

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ ... ts-n954706

The Los Angeles City Attorney’s office issued a cloudy forecast with the possibility of civil penalties for the popular Weather Channel app Friday, claiming it repeatedly violated the privacy of consumers.

The 15-page suit seeks to stop TWC from using consumers' information and seeks civil penalties up to $2,500 for each violation by the company.

In one instance, the paper found one person’s whereabouts were logged more than 14,000 times in a single day.


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Re: creepy interconnectedness

Post by Furball » Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:07 pm

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bell-c ... -1.4969066

Bell Canada is asking customers for permission to track everything they do with their home and mobile phones, internet, television, apps or any other services they get through Bell or its affiliates. "In return, Bell says it will provide advertising and promotions that are more 'tailored' to their needs and preferences," reports CBC.ca. From the report:

"Tailored marketing means Bell will be able to customize advertising based on participant account information and service usage patterns, similar to the ways that companies like Google and others have been doing for some time," the company says in recent notices to customers. If given permission, Bell will collect information about its customers' age, gender, billing addresses, and the specific tablet, television or other devices used to access Bell services. It will also collect the "number of messages sent and received, voice minutes, user data consumption and type of connectivity when downloading or streaming." "Bell's marketing partners will not receive the personal information of program participants; we just deliver the offers relevant to the program participants on their behalf," the company assures customers.

Teresa Scassa, who teaches law at the University of Ottawa and holds the Canada Research Chair in Information Law and Policy, says Bell customers who opt into Bell's new program could be giving away commercially valuable personal information with little to no compensation for increased risks to their privacy and security. "Here's a company that's taking every shred of personal information about me, from all kinds of activities that I engage in, and they're monetizing it. What do I get in return? Better ads? Really? That's it? What about better prices?"

Toronto-based consultant Charlie Wilton, whose firm has advised Bell and Rogers in the past, says: "I mean, in a perfect world, they would give you discounts or they would give you points or things that consumers would more tangibly want, rather than just the elimination of a pain point -- which is what they're offering right now."
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Re: creepy interconnectedness

Post by w0rM » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:29 am

The world will be much better/safer once we make advertising generic again. I'm glad someone's fighting the good fight.

The idea that an app that tells me what the weather is where I am would know where I am is simply unconscionable.
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Re: creepy interconnectedness

Post by Furball » Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:58 pm

rgr that, partly cloudy company
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Re: creepy interconnectedness

Post by w0rM » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:28 pm

Furball wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 8:58 pm
rgr that, partly cloudy company
DISCLAIMER: None of the follow is intended to offend or insult Furball.

Sorry if I offended you but all these things sound like a bunch of tinfoil hat paranoia. I'm mean seriously. This has got to be one of the fucking stupidest things I've ever read:

"Here's a company that's taking every shred of personal information about me, from all kinds of activities that I engage in, and they're monetizing it. What do I get in return? Better ads? Really? That's it? What about better prices?"

Where is this guy from? 1820?

The reality is, most people ARE getting better prices because of marketing efficiency and extreme competition. Why do you think everyone shops at Amazon? How do you think they keep prices lower than competitors?

And for god's sake, someone please explain to me how knowing my age, gender, billing addresses, specific tablet, television or other devices used to access Bell services, number of messages sent and received, voice minutes, user data consumption and type of connectivity when downloading or streaming is a threat to my security? Handing a teen age kid you've never seen before your credit card at a restaurant is a bigger threat to your security. Letting a "cable repair man" into your house is a bigger threat to your security. Walking around downtown at night is a threat to your security. What exactly do we fear from Bell Canada?

Lest we forget... "Bell Canada is asking customers for permission".

If he doesn't want Bell to know how many voice minutes he uses in a month, fucking say "no". I doubt Bell cares any more than I do.

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Re: creepy interconnectedness

Post by PSYCHoHoLiC » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:43 pm

While i dont agree with and dont like them having my info, i dont argue about it or even discuss it really.
I suppose if i had spent alot of time in marketing it would make more sense to me.. and i might even agree with it.
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Re: creepy interconnectedness

Post by w0rM » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:41 am

Sorry for the rants. This stuff hits pretty close to home so I find it particularly annoying. It's nothing against the people who worry about it. It's the constant sensationalism in the media that I'm just sick of. Freedom of the press (which I'm highly in favor of) is all too often being perverted into a license to create sensational headlines with polarizing quotes. There's ZERO responsibility or ethics in reporting any more.
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Re: creepy interconnectedness

Post by Furball » Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:39 pm

I don't have some axe to grind with any marketing or advertising companies, although I admit to trying to avoid them at almost every turn. Hence the AdBlock ap I've installed on this browser, and my subscription to commercial-free Amazon Prime video, and why we never answer the phone if we don't recognise the number. Glad to hear you have nothing against the people who worry about it, as I remain creeped out by creepy interconnectedness.
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Re: creepy interconnectedness

Post by w0rM » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:22 am

Furball wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:39 pm
I don't have some axe to grind with any marketing or advertising companies, although I admit to trying to avoid them at almost every turn. Hence the AdBlock ap I've installed on this browser, and my subscription to commercial-free Amazon Prime video, and why we never answer the phone if we don't recognise the number.
I do all these things too. Not suggesting everyone start loving ads. I'm only saying it's about money. If companies aren't using data to drive their advertising these days, they're going to fail.
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